Curse

Sniper22 · Jul 14, 2008, 05:23 PM // 17:23

I think the community needs to help on this issue. People like ursan because its fast and any class can play it, but if anet nerfs ursan to the point where its no longer faster, can we come up with builds that can include all professions in elite pve areas such as the doa or fow? I think doing this could restore our fun in pve. Here's what I'm thinking right now for builds that could work with doa and maybe other areas.

Warrior - Tank

Monk - Heal/Prot/Bond

Elementalist - Nuke

Necromancer - SS/BiP

Dervish - Tank

Mesmer - Nuke? I was just looking at pvxwiki and I found this build. http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:Me/E_PvE_MoR_Dom . I know this build would require grinding up another rank, but signet of illusions could be a possibility for a different elite. Arcane echo could also be put in there to spam cry of pain more. Energy from a BiP necro would help this out.

Ritualist - Possible healer or maybe a spirit rift/ancestors rage spam with destructive was glaive?

Paragon - Imbagon? The problem with paragons is that they don't really focus their heals on one target like monks do, they don't do aoe damage, and their shouts and chants mainly effect attack skills which aren't really used in elite areas.

Ranger - Traps for stygian veil and maybe splinter barrage could still work? It would also be nice to have a high lvl eoe and other spirits.

Assassin - Perma SF Tank? Heh maybe not. What about a quick condition spread though? Assassin jumps in, black spider strike, twisting fangs, epidemic and then all foes have bleeding, poison, and deep wound. Maybe it would be possible with temple strike to spread blind and dazed as well.

Well those are just my ideas, not much but I'm sure the community could come up with something to destroy the "holy trinity" thing. Maybe some skill buffs from anet would help too

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THIS IS NOT A DISCUSSION ON WHETHER URSAN SHOULD BE NERFED OR ANYTHING ABOUT IT. It's simply suggestion builds if anet does decide to nerf it, and according to the devs they're looking for ways to change the skill.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...63&postcount=6 - Suggestions for all classes

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...7&postcount=17 - Ranger suggestion

Akolo · Jul 14, 2008, 05:25 PM // 17:25

yes, only pugs are too narrowminded to see the different uses of each profession.

Lothlorian Sassun · Jul 14, 2008, 05:26 PM // 17:26

If Ursan gets nerfed to to the point that it is no longer viable in Elite PvE then the answer to your question is NO! We will go back to the standard cookie cutter builds for PvE and all classes that were not included in those builds will once again be left high and dry.

Tyla · Jul 14, 2008, 05:27 PM // 17:27

Variables are and already were viable.

Grab 'n' go being more viable would be better though, but it was already there. People just didn't see it.

Akolo · Jul 14, 2008, 05:29 PM // 17:29

agree tyla, "grab n go", which pugs dont use, is actually much more effective then the trinity, if its thought through

Snow Bunny · Jul 14, 2008, 05:32 PM // 17:32

Warriors - Dslash SY!/Earthshaker
Dervish - Avatar of Lyssa/Dwayna physical damage
Ranger - GDW/Splinter Barrage
Monk - healzzzzzz
Mesmer - CoP faceripping aoe
Ele - traditional blow-shit-up class; will always find a place somewhere
Assassin - MS/DB spam w/ Crit Agility; ridiculously high damage
Paragon - imbagon
Ritualist - splinter barrage
Necromancer - hex spam

About 2 years ago, I'd be picky about what I'd want on my team. At this point in the game, anything is viable.

Tell me what class has a disadvantage here and why - I'll counter it.

Abnaxus · Jul 14, 2008, 05:33 PM // 17:33

The "Racthoh team" for DoA included paragons, warriors, monks, rangers and ritualists.

There are 5 other classes left outside ...

For all other dungeons, you just need another player and heroes.

Eragon Selene · Jul 14, 2008, 05:35 PM // 17:35

We cut classes even with ursan, ursan is a bandaid to help weaker classes get through elite pve areas.

Necros, Eles, Monks, Mesmers all suck as ursans. Armor class is to low as well as your HP.

We typical only take Ursan W, R, P........and prefer to get W/Me. With Sig of Stam a W/Me has 1,200 Hp (just dont swing your melee) and max armor rating.

To use other classes drains the monks in Areas like DoA HM. You can get away with it in FoW HM, DoA NM and maybe UW HM.

Ursan still has class discrimination (<---im sure i spelt that wrong

)

*please insert spell checker

Sir Pandra Pierva · Jul 14, 2008, 05:35 PM // 17:35

technicly his team was if remember
1 imbagon
1 stunning strike
1 para
1 OOP dervish

Nessar · Jul 14, 2008, 05:35 PM // 17:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akolo

yes, only pugs are too narrowminded to see the different uses of each profession.

QFT

Every prof has its use, except people won't think out of their tiny little box.

Tyla · Jul 14, 2008, 05:35 PM // 17:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

Mesmer - CoP KITTENRIP aoe

Fixed for accuracy, or do you prefer "Kittenstomp"?

glacialphoenix · Jul 14, 2008, 05:38 PM // 17:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eragon Selene

Necros, Eles, Monks, Mesmers all suck as ursans.

Monks generally don't need to go ursan for obvious reasons, and necros and eles, while not having the armor/hp, have a gigantic pool of energy because of Soul Reaping and Energy Storage respectively - which means they can keep ursan up for a great deal longer than other classes can. Of the four you mentioned, I'd say Mesmers are the most discriminated against, since I've not heard anyone complain about people being able to keep up ursan longer :P

Kyomi Tachibana · Jul 14, 2008, 05:45 PM // 17:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eragon Selene

We cut classes even with ursan, ursan is a bandaid to help weaker classes get through elite pve areas.

Necros, Eles, Monks, Mesmers all suck as ursans. Armor class is to low as well as your HP.

We typical only take Ursan W, R, P........and prefer to get W/Me. With Sig of Stam a W/Me has 1,200 Hp (just dont swing your melee) and max armor rating.

To use other classes drains the monks in Areas like DoA HM. You can get away with it in FoW HM, DoA NM and maybe UW HM.

Ursan still has class discrimination (<---im sure i spelt that wrong

)

*please insert spell checker

With the right equipment setup Eles can have just as much armor as Warrior Ursans.

And while very conditional, both monks and mesmers can get about the same AL as a ranger Ursan. (via the use of Anchorites and Virtuoso's insignias respectively, although this requires you to spam 1-3 on recharge; which Ursan is all about anyways)

Necros will take increased damage from Holy, which there isn't much of, but can also achieve the same AL as a ranger Ursan.

It's not the fact that the professions suck, it's the fact that people don't think about how they can make them do their job better.

Sniper22 · Jul 14, 2008, 05:50 PM // 17:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

Warriors - Dslash SY!/Earthshaker
Dervish - Avatar of Lyssa/Dwayna physical damage
Ranger - GDW/Splinter Barrage
Monk - healzzzzzz
Mesmer - CoP faceripping aoe
Ele - traditional blow-shit-up class; will always find a place somewhere
Assassin - MS/DB spam w/ Crit Agility; ridiculously high damage
Paragon - imbagon
Ritualist - splinter barrage
Necromancer - hex spam

About 2 years ago, I'd be picky about what I'd want on my team. At this point in the game, anything is viable.

Tell me what class has a disadvantage here and why - I'll counter it.

More suggestions like this and less +1s please. We're not talking about what classes work with ursan and we don't need pessimism here either. If group leaders know what builds can work for all classes, then they can let whoever they want in.

Konig Des Todes · Jul 14, 2008, 05:52 PM // 17:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eragon Selene

Necros, Eles, Monks, Mesmers all suck as ursans. Armor class is to low as well as your HP.

Bolded part made me LOL. All professions have the SAME amount of HP. Only thing that changes HP are runes, weapons, and skills (like Ursan).

Quote:

We typical only take Ursan W, R, P........and prefer to get W/Me. With Sig of Stam a W/Me has 1,200 Hp (just dont swing your melee) and max armor rating.

Another good LOL for me, "Don't swing your melee so you don't get energy and so you lose your ursan!"

Quote:

To use other classes drains the monks in Areas like DoA HM. You can get away with it in FoW HM, DoA NM and maybe UW HM.

Ursan still has class discrimination (<---im sure i spelt that wrong

)

*please insert spell checker

Meh, I think your logic is off honestly. A typical "low armor sucks" rant. Ursan gives enough armor to all professions to do well, no matter what area *as long as it isn't an energy draining area

. Also, you spelt discrimination right.

I hope Ursan does get nerfed, and soon. All professions have several good builds that most people are too ignorant to think about (Sins have more then perma SF! I should know!). The sooner Ursan gets nerfed, the better.

Pandora's box · Jul 14, 2008, 05:58 PM // 17:58

Ursan won't get nerfed, and neither will Sabway and other tank/nuke builds. That is why PvP and PvE skills now can be separated. Players like to use these builds, it gives them a feeling of invincibillity, and that's great! I mean, what would be left without builds like this? How would people differ from each other? by wearing fancy clothes? By walking around with pets? I could give my account to my 8 year old niece than as well, she would have a great time visiting towns and festivals

No! We want BLOOD on the rooftops!! Unstoppable builds, CRUSHING the environment, and those who like differently play it the other way. No problem. Freedom of choice here. Don't take that away.

Sniper22 · Jul 14, 2008, 06:02 PM // 18:02

For DoA, what if a ranger uses concussion shot/epidemic/barrage. It might be hard to get the dazed on, but if you spread it around to all enemies and spam barrage, it could significantly lower the damage output and also take down the monks, especially those groups with 2 monks.

shoyon456 · Jul 14, 2008, 06:03 PM // 18:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Azazel The Assassin

Bolded part made me LOL. All professions have the SAME amount of HP. Only thing that changes HP are runes, weapons, and skills (like Ursan).

You forget that derv's get an innate +25 hp from their armor. Back onto topic though, this is why ursan should set a char's base AL to 70 and primary att to 0.

Also, if anet would just let us use full hero teams (it will eventually have to happen when guildwars truly dies), this wouldnt even be an issue.

zwei2stein · Jul 14, 2008, 06:03 PM // 18:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sniper22

Tank

Heal/Prot/Bond

Nuke

SS/BiP

Tank

Nuke

...

If you want to include other classes, first thing you need to do is to stop thinking in theese terms.

Snow Bunny · Jul 14, 2008, 06:05 PM // 18:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sniper22

For DoA, what if a ranger uses concussion shot/epidemic/barrage. It might be hard to get the dazed on, but if you spread it around to all enemies and spam barrage, it could significantly lower the damage output and also take down the monks, especially those groups with 2 monks.

That's assuming you hit with the Concussion shot and interrupt with it.

It's safer just to pound the hell out of stuff and kill it. With a bunch of physicals, splinter weapon, and orders/barbs/MoP, you can kill anything.